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Some election campaign reading

I’ve been pretty busy, on the weekend I hope to find time for some more posts, in particular soon the candidates will be declared and I can do part 2 of my Be an Informed Voter post, in the meantime I’ll just link to some recommended reading:

John Quiggin in not impressed by the campaign, he calls it a race to the bottom.

James Arvanitakis is also not impressed – “This campaign is enough to turn off even political junkies

More (following up my previous post) on economic credibility at LP – Mr Denmore on the Debt Delusion.

Possum at Crikey on why you can’t trust the Australian newspaper.

Tim Dunlop on the Politics-Media death spiral.

Harry Minas on unnecessary national panic.

Antony Green has linked to his Senate analysis page at the ABC (though note that the full details won’t be available until candidates are declared – the deadline for that is today, they will be publicly available tomorrow afternoon), and he also has a useful Q&A page.

Also check out ElectionLeaflets.org.au and contribute if you can.

I’ll also mention that I support Penny Wright for the Senate in SA, and Ruth Beach for Adelaide.

and for those tired of politics, you can go and read about bike hate in Sydney instead.

Economics Dumbed Down

I’ve found it strange that despite the fact that the Coalition carry on as if managing the national economy is exactly like balancing a household budget and yet maintain their reputation for being superior economic managers. There is an interesting article at the Centre for Policy Development on this. Ian McAuley writes

Notice something strange in the opinion polls? Essential Media polling has surveyed Australians on a number of specific issues, asking which party they would trust to handle various issues. On education, jobs, industrial relations, housing affordability, climate change and the  environment Labor easily scores ahead of the Coalition.

Yet on the question “management of the economy”, the Coalition still leads by a comfortable margin.

There is a strange contradiction in these figures. If economic management isn’t about ensuring high employment and harmonious labour relations, conserving scarce environmental resources, keeping housing affordable, and investing in education, what is it about?

Go and read the rest of Economics Dumbed Down here.

Got to this via Larvatus Prodeo who now have a new home.

Two economists on why they will vote Green

This is a brief post to link to a couple of blog posts by two economists who each write about why they intend to vote for the Greens at this election. I’ve been writing a few posts in support of the Greens lately, but didn’t want to tack these links onto the end of another post because I don’t want to try to co-opt either of them as general supporters of the Greens or as giving blanket support for everything the Greens stand for, in both cases they describe specific circumstances in the current election which have informed their choice and I’d like you to go and read their posts without any further context from me (and if you’re not already familiar with them then subscribe to their feeds, they are both well worth reading in general.)

John Quiggin – The Case for the Greens.
Harry Clarke – Voting Green

Note that John Quiggin’s post on economists and climate change is also of interest and is relevant background to both of the posts linked above.

Where do Greens voters live?

When reading blogs & articles about the Greens you’ll often see comments trying to characterise the Greens voters as inner city latte drinkers with arts degrees or something similar. In this post I want to put the Greens vote in perspective.

Firstly, while inner city seats such as Melbourne, Sydney and Grayndler (Sydney’s inner west) are certainly Green strongholds and offer the best hopes for the Greens winning seats in the House of Representatives, there are plenty of Greens votes elsewhere. In the 2007 election the number of Greens votes in these three electorates were 19,967, 15,854 and 15,675 respectively – a total of 51496, just over fifty thousand votes. Are these electorates where all the Greens are? The total Greens vote in the House of Representatives in 2007 was 967,789. That is almost one million votes. In fact in the Senate the Greens got 1,144,751 votes nationally, more than one million votes. These people do not all live in the inner city. Going back to the HoR, the AEC does a breakdown of votes as metropolitan and non-metropolitan – almost 350,000 of the Greens votes were in non-metropolitan areas (roughly 35% of the total Green vote  … and remember that metropolitan is not just inner-city either). By way of comparison this was more than half the vote of the Nationals in non-metropolitan areas.

By state, NSW accounts for just over 30% of the Greens vote, and Victoria accounts for just over 25%, so there is still a very large proportion of Greens votes in other states. As a proportion of the total votes the Greens did better in WA and Tasmania than either NSW or Victoria.

Now I want to concentrate on my home state of SA. There were 68,640 lower house votes for the greens in 2007. About 8.5 thousand were in the seat of Adelaide which easily covers what would be called “inner city”. In fact there were more Green votes in Mayo and Boothby than in Adelaide. Even in the worst seat in the state for the Greens, they still got more than 4% of the vote.

Those who think that all Greens sit in cafes in inner city Sydney or Melbourne should perhaps consider visiting Whyalla. In the state election earlier this year there were 8 polling places in Whyalla with a total of almost 1500 people voting for the Greens , accounting for between 12-16% of the total vote at each.

Note – all quotes figures are from the AEC or Electoral Commision SA websites.

What the Greens/Labor Preference Deal Means

The Liberals and certain commentators in the press have been kicking up quite a fuss about the recently announced preference deal between the Greens and Labor. This news story at the ABC has a lengthy comment thread with a number of comments along the lines of “A vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor” or “This means the Greens support [insert objectionable Labor policy here]” and so on. These people either don’t understand our electoral system or they are deliberately trying to mislead you. In this post I will explain why. One disclaimer first – I don’t have any inside info on this deal, I know only what’s in the news story, my interpretation of the implications of the deal is based on that.

Also, having finished writing this post I now notice that Antony Green has written a very sensible (as always) post on this issue, he also answers questions in the comments thread. So I recommend that you go and read that as well.

First up some brief comments on the preference system. I believe that preferential voting is more democratic than first past the post. If we didn’t have preferential voting then those who support a candidate who may appear unlikely to win would have to consider voting for one of the other candidates or otherwise have their vote effectively “wasted”. Think about preferential voting as a series of runoff elections. Lets say a group of 11 people are voting on which restaurant to go to. Five of them choose a pizza place, 4 choose one Indian restaurant and 3 choose a second Indian restaurant. In a first past the post system they go for pizza even though the majority appear to want Indian. A fairer way is to rule out the least popular option and then get everyone to choose between the two remaining options. It may be that some of the group of 3 really don’t like the other Indian restaurant and prefer pizza, or perhaps it is just that they all want Indian – either way this is clearly the fairer way to work out what the majority would like. Preferential voting works the same way, the least popular candidate is removed, and then we see who everyone prefers out of the remaining candidates and this is repeated until a candidate has more than 50% of the vote. As in previous posts I’ll refer you to the AEC or Antony Green for a neutral account of how our voting system works.

Now, given that preferential voting is a good thing, what about preference deals? The first point to make is that despite some of the fuss being made it is not a big deal that the Greens and Labor have made a preference deal. At every election I would think that just about all of the parties (and independents) discuss preferences with each other. This is nothing new and is not a sign of any sort of special relationship between the Greens and Labor. The reason parties make deals is that they have to (at least for practical purposes) assign preferences anyway. Now in some cases, there is not really much room to move. For example it is clear that the Greens will put the likes of One Nation and Family First a long way down their preferences, and Labor will have the Liberals down around the bottom of theirs. There are other preferences which are not so clear cut, so parties make deals with other, they are making agreements with each other about how they will assign preferences – something that they already have to do anyway.

So why is it that they have to assign preferences? In the Senate, you have to submit a preference ticket to allow people to vote above the line for your party. Given that the very vast majority of voters do vote above the line then this really is an essential thing for parties to do. When people vote above the line then their vote is being assigned the preferences determined by the party. If you prefer then you can just vote below the line. These preferences are available on the AEC website before election day and are on display at polling places, they are not secret.

The other part of the deal involves how to vote (HTV) cards. These suggest preferences in the lower house. When you fill in your ballot paper for the lower house you must fill in the preferences yourself. Nothing the parties agree on will alter any preferences that you write in yourself. The only way that this can have an effect is if you decide to follow the recommendation on the how-to-vote card. Why even hand out HTV cards at all? I think that the Greens would be quite happy to do away with them, for example Greens MP Mark Parnell has called for them to be banned from SA state elections, but while they are permitted then it is not possible for one party to just decide not to use them since it has been shown that they have a significant effect on the vote. Unilaterally deciding not to use them would be electoral suicide.

Some parties may be accused of swapping preferences with other parties with quite different ideologies purely for strategic reasons, but in my opinion the Greens preference tickets tend to be pretty much in line with what you might expect a majority Greens voters would support anyway. Usually the most important factor is whether Labor or Liberal is ahead and the Greens have pretty much always put Labor ahead of the Liberals as the Greens tend to agree with Labor more than Liberal (my understanding is that the very rare exceptions involved very specific circumstances involving the particular local candidates). This does not mean they agree with every one of their policies (or even any of them) or are secretly in league with them, it just means that on balance they tend to agree more with  Labor than Liberal. Does this mean that people who prefer the Liberals to Labor can’t vote Green? Not at all, it just means that they should choose the preferences themselves, as is their right. Sometimes instead of directing particular preferences the Greens have an open ticket, which says to vote 1 Green and then allocate preferences however you want to, though a potential risk with this sort of HTV is that it may result in more informal votes.

It is interesting to note that when the Greens preference Labor then the Liberals yell about how the Greens are juts Labor in disguise, and if they use an open ticket then Labor yell about how the Greens really want the Liberals to win.

To sum up, consider the following scenarios for how this preference deal might effect you and explanations as to why I think it shouldn’t affect your vote:

  1. You were planning to vote Green and prefer Labor to Liberal.
    This deal would make no difference to you. It agrees with how you were going to vote anyway.
  2. You were planning to vote Green and prefer Liberal to Labor.
    This deal makes no difference to you. In the Senate you can vote below the line (as I understand it the deal wasn’t about the Green’s senate preferences anyway, I think that they have always had Labor above Liberal there), and in the House of Reps choose preferences as you want and ignore the how to vote card (and some electorates will have open tickets anyway).
  3. You were planning on voting for someone else in the lower house but want the Greens to get more Senators in.
    This deal is good for you. It means that the Labor senate votes in excess of any quotas they get will help elect Greens senators.
  4. You don’t like Steve Fielding and Family First.
    This deal is good for you. It means that Labor party preferences won’t elect Steve Fielding again.
  5. You want to vote for Greens and equally dislike Labor and Liberal.
    This deal makes no difference to you. You have to allocate preferences anyway, it’s how the electoral system works.
  6. You weren’t going to vote for the Greens.
    This deal makes no difference to you. If the party you vote for recommends a preference to the Greens in a position you disagree with then simply choose your own preferences.

Be an informed voter (part 1)

A federal election is likely to be called very soon, so I wanted to write a neutral post (as in not advocating a particular vote) encouraging people to be well informed voters. The first thing is to be a voter in the first place. If you’re not yet enrolled to vote then now is time to do it. Once the election is called you have very little time to get onto the electoral roll and you will miss out. Take your responsibility as a citizen in a democracy seriously. The info on what to do is at the AEC website here. Also if you are enrolled but have moved then you should update your address on the electoral roll so you can vote in the correct electorate.

Next, make sure that you cast a valid vote. If you don’t follow the instruction properly then your vote may not count. Antony Green at the ABC has an excellent post on how to vote here. It’s an excellent post that’s worth reading even if you already know how to vote.

Following up on that, it is a good idea to understand the electoral system. The AEC is a great place to go for that. Consider the following questions:

The last link is from the parliament house website, there is lots more at their FAQ.

Another way to be informed about the sitting members is by visiting Open Australia where you can access detailed info on each member of parliament.

Next you need to decide who to vote for, while of course you may already know of a candidate or party you wish to vote for, or have some idea of how your preferences will go for the larger parties, you don’t yet know exactly who will appear on each of the ballot papers you will fill in on election day since the election has not been called and the candidates have not officially nominated – so I’ll return to this in part 2 later on. (UPDATE – part 2 now available)

Some thoughts on the unelected Prime Minister of Australia

Who is the PM referred to in the title? Is it Julia Gillard? Or is it one of these other Australian Prime ministers who also were not elected to the position by the people of Australia.

But first, what this post isn’t about. It’s not about the relative merits of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard. It’s not about the effect of the change of PM on the result of the forthcoming election. It’s not about internal ALP politics. It’s about whether the recent change of PM is a sign that something has gone wrong with our democracy.

In the wake of the change of PM the comment threads at the ABC and elsewhere started filling up with

a) People complaining that they didn’t vote for Julia Gillard, and
b) other people pointing out that the first group of people didn’t vote for Kevin Rudd either (even if they thought they did).

I initially sided with group b). Clearly lots of people didn’t understand our political system. Unless they live in the electorate of Griffith then they didn’t vote for Kevin Rudd at the last election, and if they do, and they did vote for him then it was as member for Griffith, not PM. After this initial reaction though I started to think about it a bit more – after all, facts aren’t everything in politics, perception is important. It surely matters that people perceived that they were voting for Kevin Rudd, whether they technically were or not. Really it goes beyond perception, if they voted Labor (or many cases just preferenced Labor above Liberal) then they were effectively voting for Rudd as PM in a very real sense. There’s more to it than that and to give credit where it is due it it was primarily this post by Mark Bahnisch which made me really reconsider the whole issue (see also latest LP discussion here). Perhaps the key is to turn it around and think not so much about who put the PM there, but who takes them away. While people may complain that they voted in Rudd, perhaps it’s more the way that the right to vote out a PM appears to have been usurped. Of course those complaining loudly weren’t in a hurry to vote him out, but resent anyone other individuals or groups being able to do it instead. Which obviously brings up comparisons with the Whitlam dismissal, while the circumstances are very different, there is that same feeling that someone else has taken the power of removing the PM out of the hands of the public (and of course those most aggrieved at the removal of Rudd are likely to be people who exercised their power to remove a PM at the last election). This raises the question of who did remove him then? The easiest answer is factions within the ALP, but this still shifts the question to the factors which motivated them. If you read enough blogs and newspaper columns then there are lots of culprits out there – the media, the mining industry, the very nature of modern politics … personally I’m still trying to get my head around it all and am not going to be pointing the finger, but the idea that a PM has been removed as a result of these sort of influences is a worrying one. Is our political system broken as Mark Bahnisch claims?  I’m still not sure, I certainly hope not.

Pulling back from the bigger picture of the implications for our political system and back to the fact that Kevin Rudd is no longer PM, there are some other factors to consider. One is that we are nearing the end of the electoral cycle, the new PM who has not lead her party to a general election will be doing so shortly. If a party is successful at election does that then mean that they have to go into each subsequent election with the same leader until they choose to retire or are defeated (sounds familiar doesn’t it … I’m sure plenty of Peter Costello supporters weren’t happy with that model). If not then when do they change? Surely now is pretty much the time when it would happen … when the previous leader has served most of their term and delivered on as much of their legislative agenda as is possible, but early enough to give the new leader a chance to properly contest the next election.  Even if you put aside the technicalities and say that people are effective electing a PM then isn’t that to serve one term, or are they also voting for the right to vote for them again next time.

One final point (in post that has, admittedly, meandered around without really concluding anything), is that I hope that for those people who are generally shocked to see the PM they thought they’d voted for (this time in the technical sense) booted out of office will give a bit of thought to how our electoral system works as a result, I think that we’ve gone too far into treating elections as personality contests between the two major party leaders. This incident is a very strong reminder that we need to weigh up a number of factors when we choose who to vote for – sure, the personality of the leader who may become PM is important, but we also have to take into account the party they lead and what they stand for (amongst other things, such as who your local candidate is, the distinction between the two houses, the potential role of minor parties and independents, the use of prefernences  …).

I would vote for the Greens but …

Lately there has been a bit of fuss over the high percentage of people favouring the Greens in opinion polls. As a result there have been quite a few articles about the Greens on the websites of the various media organisations and political blogs. A common feature in the comments threads are comments along the lines of “I would vote for the Greens but … ” or “you may think you want to vote for the Greens but shouldn’t because of …”. In this post I would like to explore some of the common reasons given for not voting for the Greens and explain what I think is wrong with them. I want to be clear that this isn’t a post on why you should vote Green, it is aimed at those who have decided that the Greens are the party that best deserves their vote but feel that there is a good reason for not voting for them anyway.

I’ll also just note that I’m a Greens member. Anything I say here is not on behalf of the party, I hold no office and am not active in the running of the party at any level. It is all just my own opinion.

  1. They seem friendly and moderate but are hiding a secret extreme agenda.
    The Greens are a very open and democratic party. Before believing what their opponents have to say about them you should try reading their charter and policies on their website. One of the four guiding principles of the Greens is Grassroots Democracy and this applies to internal party processes. The fact that the Greens have much less coverage in the press than the old parties may mean that people know less about them but that does not mean they are hiding a secret agenda. Mostly the Greens get press coverage on environmental issues but they do want other people to know about their views on a wide range of issues. The fact that they get less coverage is not due to any desire on the part of the Greens party.
  2. A vote for a minor party is throwing away your vote.
    I’ve dealt with this sort of argument in an earlier post, I’ll repeat some of the key points here. Due to preferential voting you are free to vote for whoever you want and still get a say in picking who you like out of whoever ends up being the last two contenders. If you know that either Labor or Liberal are bound to win your electorate then why not just vote for one of them? There are a couple of reasons. One is that if they win on preferences from the Greens then it will send a message about the priorities of the electorate and may influence the policies of the major party. Another is that parties are awarded public funding based on the number of first preferences they receive. If you don’t really like the major parties but vote for them anyway then you are giving them funding to help continue their dominance and at the same time denying funding to the party you do like who will continue to find it difficult to challenge this dominance. Vote for the party you like, they’ll get the funding (if they get over the threshold), and then with your preferences you can still have a say in who wins the seat (and who forms Government).
  3. A vote for the greens is just a vote for Labor / They aren’t preferencing Labor so they might help Tony Abbott to get in.
    The first of these two contradictory statements is the traditional one, but the second is turning up a bit now. The key point is that each voter gets to decide for themselves where their preferences go. Worrying about where preferences go is a silly reason not to vote for the party you like, you choose the prefences yourself. In the lower house you have to write in all the preferences yourself anyway (someone might give you a how to vote card but you don’t need to follow it), and in the Senate you can look at the AEC website to find out the above the line ticket before election day or just number the boxes below the line if you’re concerned about it. The second comment seems to result from some comments from Bob Brown about how people can decide their own preferences. Labor people seem to be trying to make people think this means that the Greens want the Liberals to get into Government, really I think what it is about is convincing those moderate Liberals who don’t like the current Liberal leadership, but who also don’t like Labor, to consider voting for the Greens instead – making it clear that such people (who are always going to preference Libs over Labor) can still vote Green.
  4. I don’t want my vote to go either Labor or Liberal, but it will because of the preferential voting system so I’ll vote informal.
    I’ve seen variations of this one a bit lately and find it quite bizarre. These people seem to think that preferential voting is some sort of scam on the part of the major parties so that they (eventually) get everyone’s vote. Without preferences it would be much harder for a third party to break into the two party system as those voting for them (before they were well established enough to seriously contest seats) would be giving up any opportunity to have a say in the actual outcome. In reality this would mean that many potential Green voters would stay with Labor so that they don’t help the Liberals win power and then the ALP could safely ignore “green” issues. On the other hand, suppose you hate both the majors and like the Greens in our preferential system. So you vote for the Greens, but they don’t get elected. One of Labor or Liberal will get elected – the fact that your preference is carried on doesn’t make this happen, it is happening anyway, the party you voted for didn’t get enough votes to win. So under these circumstances, no matter how much you dislike both majors, isn’t it better to get a say in which one gets elected? And the option of voting informally is even worse since it denies resources to the Greens, meaning that it is harder for them to challenge to dominance of Labor and Liberals in the future.
  5. The Greens didn’t support the ETS.
    Already dealt with previously – but in short: you want action on climate change, so rather than vote for the Greens you are going to vote for either a) the party who claimed they’d take action but then put up pissweak, flawed legislation instead (which largely ignored the expert advice they’d commissioned) and refused to even talk to the Greens about it, or b) the party that also did not support the legislation, and with some prominent members who think that it is all a communist conspiracy.
  6. I like their policy on A,B and C but don’t like their policy on X.
    For a start you should check the website to see if the policy on X is what you think it is since there is quite a bit of disinformation about Greens policies out there. Now suppose that you have seen the actual policy and don’t like it. Given that the assumption here is that you would otherwise vote for Greens then clearly you don’t agree with all of the policies of any other party either or you would have decided to vote for them. Chances are you are not going to find a single party who agree with you on absolutely every issue, you have to weigh it up overall. There is chance that there is one thing that’s a real deal breaker, but apply the same standards to all parties before rejecting one on the basis of a single policy.
  7. They haven’t done anything.
    The Greens Senators are very active, you can read about what they do here. It might not be in the news much, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t doing anything. You can go and read speeches, debates, questions, motions and press releases at the Greens MPs site and see that the Greens are active on a wide range of issues (which are in some cases otherwise ignored). It’s worth checking out their contributions to Senate Estimates as well. The fact is that much of the work of the Senate (not just the Greens senators) is not everyday news, which tends to focus on announcements by the Government and responses by the Coalition. The Greens are of course limited in what can be achieved with just a small representation in the Senate, but a look over the transcripts from parliament show that they are not slacking off. Also, you might try thinking of what your other Senators have done lately. Have a look at Open Australia to see what all the members of parliament have been up to.

The Greens and the ETS

Lately the efforts by the ALP to attack the Greens over their failure to support the ETS seem to be stepping up, no doubt it is in preparation for the upcoming election, with Labor fearing that the Greens may pose a threat in certain lower house seats. Often this takes the form of trying to group the Greens together with the Coalition and Family First in their opposition to the legislation (including in a ridiculous piece by Bob Carr in the Australian recently), though I doubt that efforts to lump the Greens with the climate deniers will have too much influence on the main target  – ALP voters who may consider voting Green thanks to Labor’s failure to take action on climate change, so for this audience the argument is a little more subtle. The idea is to paint the Greens as holier than thou idealogues whose hearts may be in the right place on the issue but who would never comprise on principles and agree on action that would actually work in the real world. Frankly, this is a load of bollocks. The Greens took a position which would, were it not for the extreme positions of the major parties, be considered as mainstream. It was the Greens who were largely following the recommendations of the independent report commissioned on the issue, while Labor largely ignored it, and meanwhile the Coalition, post-Turnbull, were off in loony communist conspiracy land. What’s more, there are always people saying that the Greens had a chance to do something, they could have made a start on tackling the problem but were such purists that they wouldn’t negotiate and voted against it. For a start, the Greens can’t be blamed for lack of negotiation. They put in the work, they told Labor exactly what they didn’t like and offered amendments – but Labor chose not to negotiate. The Greens have been quite open about why they could not support the bill as presented – it’s not just that it wouldn’t achieve much in the first place (which would still leave open the claim they should have voted for it at least to support the principle), it was, as they pointed out repeatedly, that it would “lock in failure”. It wasn’t going to be a good first step because it prevented any further steps. You can get the full story from Senator Christine Milne’s site here.

At Crikey, Tim Hollo (adviser to Christine Milne) suggests that Labor’s strategy all along was to deliberately keep the Greens out of the picture on this issue for political reasons, which really seriously undermines the argument that if only the Greens had been more realistic about it we’d have an ETS already.

So in summary, claims that

    • The Greens don’t really want action on climate change, and
    • The Greens wouldn’t negotiate with Labor on the ETS.

    are straight out rubbish, and

    • They should have voted for it to at least do something.

      is at the very least arguable, and it’s not just the Greens themselves who would argue with it. If the Greens had voted for the ETS, I imagine that at some point in the future they’d be criticised for naively voting for bad legislation (which did not reduce emissions) just because they wanted to look like doing something for the environment!

      There’s plenty of room for argument over what to do about climate change, but cheap political point scoring of the “you didn’t vote for the ETS so you don’t want action on climate change” is not helpful.

      While preparing this post I saw an excellent article in the SMH by Ross Gittins which has many anti-Greens comments of the sort discussed above in the comments section.